Requirements

Discussion in 'Geothermal Loops' started by Calladrilling, Aug 10, 2012.

  1. Calladrilling

    Calladrilling Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    What are the requirements in your area for installing closed loop fields?
    Here in NJ we need:
    Dep permits per bore
    Gps located within 10' accuracy (pre and post drilling)
    Grouted from bottom up
    Drill log afterwards with formations penetrated
    Grout mixture used to seal borehole

    Just wondering what the other states are asking for.
     
    Last edited: Aug 11, 2012
  2. waterpirate

    waterpirate Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    In DE, same as you with no gps
    In MD same as you with gps
    In VA Same as you no gps

    Eric
     
  3. Calladrilling

    Calladrilling Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    Do you need to convert to state plane coordinates or use lat/long?
     
  4. Palace GeoThermal

    Palace GeoThermal Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    Utah:

    Permit with PLS location
    HISTORIC PROPERTY EFFECT EVALUATION
    Grouted from bottom up
    Drill log afterwards with formations penetrated
    Grout mixture used to seal borehole
     
  5. waterpirate

    waterpirate Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    Thankfully I do not even know what a "state plane" is. lol
    Eric
     
  6. Palace GeoThermal

    Palace GeoThermal Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    Eric,

    how do you note the location of your wells?
     
  7. waterpirate

    waterpirate Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    We use scale drawings and gps for our records. For filing permits in DE it is 2 measurements from property lines to a fuzzy, sort of location for the loops. All 3 states are woefully behind the curve in regard to loops in general. Permitting, grouting regs, completion reports, all of it is in it's infancy.
    Eric
     
  8. Calladrilling

    Calladrilling Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    Seems like its fairly universal with permitting.
    State plane is just another form of coordinates, but the coordinates are only useful inside of NJ borders.
    NJ switched to NJ state plane coordinates about 3-4 yrs ago. It's not too bad, you either convert lat/long or buy a expensive handheld unit to show your position in state plane.

    It makes it a lot easier now that NJ DEP has all its permits done online nowadays. It really make the process speedier!
     
  9. Palace GeoThermal

    Palace GeoThermal Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    In Utah we can apply online and sometimes get the permit the next day.
     
  10. waterpirate

    waterpirate Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    On 1/1/12 DE went to an online permitting system. Well drillers were dis-allowed entrance to the DNREC building in Dover without a apointment:eek:. The only way to file a permit is by snail mail or online. Time to recieve an approved permit went from 2-3 days the old way to a minimum of 2 weeks:mad:.

    Following that action I sent a letter to DNREC outlining WWD new onsite safety policy of disallowing any state employee within 50 feet of our equiptment, since they are office personelll not field trained personell. So far it has not been challenged, but it will end in the JP court before it is over.
    Eric
     
  11. Calladrilling

    Calladrilling Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    Stay patient. Our online took a while to get kinks worked out too. Now it's fast and easy to use.
    I can get emergency well permits in as little as an hour sometimes, and standard permits usually take from a few hours to the following day.
     

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