New York changes

Not if appeal pending and there are other arguments being made for every legal case. The 3 cases were not allowed as a class action. So for example the DTF was able to excluded evidence in one trial, but in the next trial they were not able to exclude it anymore. So each trail had to consider different evidence.
BTW, all rulings have accepted that GSHPs are using solar radiation as a source.

That was not the point. It was only about whether the circulation pump in the system is part of a conventional system, because it is connected the the grid and consumes energy, and now excludes the entire geo system as qualifying under the statue. Silly.
The counter argument was that the loop circulation pump is a vital component of the GSHP system, similar to the circulation pump of a solar thermal circularoof top system. Or the inverter in a solar PV system being connected to the grid. The first Tribunal should rule in 4-6 months.

 

I guess I have 3 years to submit an amended return.

 

Any changes to NY law ?

 

Not sure about NY law related to the prior issue, but new sytems have access to the federal 30% tax credit, the $1,500/ton NYSERDA rebate and for Westchester County only, Con Ed's $5,000 rebate too. All in all, a great time for Westchester residents to switch. Now if only i could find an installer ready to help me with my complex design (7 series split unit with two air handlers for my cooling needs, direct to loop piping for baseboard heating, with my natural gas boiler providing me back up heat).

 

NYSERDA rebate is $1,850 for Westchester County for residential system up to 10 tons....

 

I missed that change. Also, it looks like the $5k ConEd rebate is currently only available via Dandelion. I've reached out to ConEd to see if they'd offer it to other installers too. I see no reason for them to limit it to one installer.

 

Yes, it is only Dandelion. They were the only ones who submitted a request for proposals (RFP) to ConEd. Time will tell if that is good or bad....

 

Not to run the thread off course. But I'm happy I kept my fossil fuel boiler for aux heat, and DHW. Otherwise the electric meter would be spinning like crazy every morning.

 

The best way to deal with this is inside a court action. A careful reading of the guiding regulations will reveal exactly what it says then take it from there. And if those regs are vague that's their problem. There's no question the sun and solar radiation have application here.
All it takes is to perfect one New York case in State Supreme Court based on the vague regs to overturn the bureaucrats.
And I think it's worth it.

 

I've been sleeping on my geothermal project a couple of years to do it simultaneously with an expansion to my house, and it sounds like the wait may have paid off.

Unless I'm reading something wrong, the NYSERDA Clean Heat Program rebates have increased for ConEd territory ($0.285/BTUhs of full load heating capacity).

For a 5 ton WF Series 7 package heat pump + a 4 ton WF Series 7 split heat pump, the Ground Water heating capacity is 66,000 +54,000 = 120,000 Btuh, which is a cool $34k.

If my system prices at $84k (all in, I'm hoping), that gets me to $50k net.

Throw in the 26% federal ITC, and that drops the upfront cost to $37k. I was probably looking at $5k for the plumbing associated with additional base board heaters (my boiler was already sized to handle the expansion) + $12k for replacing my 2x old AC units to upsize them to handle the expansion + new ductwork, so I'm probably paying only $25k more upfront (conservatively). This probably gets my pay back down to 5 years.

NY geothermal experts, am i miscalculating?

Also, do I lose the incentive if i keep my natural gas boiler as back up (it won't be expanded into the new expansion)

 

No way in hell NYS is giving away that kind of money. NYS is killing tax payers right & left.

 

In our defense, most geothermal users are probably disproportionately high tax payers.