electric rates

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by waterpirate, Feb 12, 2011.

  1. waterpirate

    waterpirate Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    I am looking for some base line data on average costs of electric. I am interested in the complete in the door cost. Total amount of bill devided by kwh. I am paying .11 cents per kilowatt hour in the door in Delaware. Supplied by Delaware Electric Co-op. How about everyone else?
  2. Palace GeoThermal

    Palace GeoThermal Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    I pay 10.2 cents in Utah from Rocky Mountain Power.
  3. Looby

    Looby Member Forum Leader

    PECO (a.k.a. Philadelphia Phlicker & Phlash)

    Residential Heating Rate (for homes with "all electric" heating):

    Summer: First 500 kWh: $78, then $0.167/kWh

    Winter: First 600 kWh: $93, then $0.072/kWh

    Year-round average: ~$85/month base load + $0.10/kWh for HVAC & HW

    On edit: The above figures include ALL fees, charges, taxes, bribes, and gratuities.
    Last edited: Feb 21, 2011
  4. tstolze

    tstolze Member


    • During winter months (Oct.. - May) that charge is 6.87 cents per kWh for the first 750 kilowatthours and 4.61 cents per kWh for any usage over 750 kilowatthours.
    • When the costs of generating and delivering power are higher because of heavy demands on the system during the summer months, that charge is 9.67 cents per kilowatthour.
  5. ChrisJ

    ChrisJ Active Member Forum Leader

    Electric costs

    I am in RI, the cost is .16 per KWH. Only discount is for folks on public assistance.
    Power supplied by National Grid. I have a separate meter inside showing heat pump usage.

    Last edited: Feb 12, 2011
  6. engineer

    engineer Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    About 11 cents up to 1000 kwh, 12+ cents above that. We just went to that two tier.

    Jax city utility is 12-13 cents
  7. newgeohp

    newgeohp New Member


    AEP Virginia
    Standard $0.0878

    Peak $0.153 (7AM-8PM)
    Off peak $0.046

  8. waterpirate

    waterpirate Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    Thank you for all the replies. I was trying to get a feel for how bad or good I have it. I am beginning a journey that will if I am successfull will get me partially off the grid. I am trying to get the monthly operating expenses for our home to a point where I can retire and work for fun to pay monthly's. I installed a navien nr-210 yesterday to eliminate the usage on my second meter. That meter will now have a monthly usage less than 190kwh no biggie. My primary meter for the house including geo averages 2432kwh for the 4 heating months the rest of the year averages out to around 1200kwh per month. I am looking at both wind and solar to generate this power, or maybe a combination of both as solar would work well in the summer, but wind would be better for winter given our typical weather pattern. Anyone have some wisdom to impart? Web sites worth looking at? A company called Flexera is coming out next week to do an evaluation. Thanx in advance
  9. engineer

    engineer Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    One of the best resources I know of is HomePower Magazine and its website. I have no direct experience with RE (Renewable Energy) systems but have been following the industry closely for 10+ years

    The Homepower bunch has been offgrid since the 80s. Last I checked you could buy decades of back issues on DVD and read to your heart's content. Like us here, they are very big on performance testing and verification.

    You have very high winter usage for an RE system to meet. Conservation followed by solar thermal may offer a bigger bangs for your bucks. If I recall, you still have envelope issues.

    Very few off-gridders have houses with HVAC compressors, but the inverter technology has evolved to where it is now doable. WF markets Intellistart (reduced startup current) in part to off grid users.

    I suspect you may be better off staying on-grid and striving for net zero via net metering. Such systems are smaller, more efficient, and much cheaper (no WWII submarine-sized battery array to buy and contend with)

    There is a bid of misconception out there about wind - folks think their area is windier than it actually turns out to be. Google "national wind maps" to find out where you stand. Windpower systems are not for the faint-of-heart - lots of big moving parts high in the air. PV is essentially set it and forget it - clean the panels every now and then or change array angle manually now and then, depending

    I'll trade RE info for pump and well support all day...
  10. waterpirate

    waterpirate Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    Thanx for the reply Curt,
    What I meant to say is what you pointed out, net zero on the meter if possible or at the least a serious reduction in the realm of 50%. I have dealved into the wind issue and found the rating for my gps on the rock is rated at "very good"? What that means in terms of watts production to be expected over a year is the question left to the expert to explain to me. I am somewhat spoiled as one freind has a wind mill, and another a solar set-up. I have not blocked out happy hour time with them as yet to talk about their experiances.
  11. Mark Custis

    Mark Custis Not soon. Industry Professional Forum Leader


    I want to attend those meetings if possible.

    Here in the Land of Cleve, or just 26 miles west of downtown Cleveland we spend $0.11763 per KWH delivered by First Energy and their roving bands of books cookers and mergermanagers. I used to think engineers and lawyers where bad until I met the team at First Energy. Remember the great black out?
  12. geome

    geome Member Forum Leader

    High of 15.9 cents to low of 13.5 cents over the past 9 months (since a price increase and electricity price restructuring.) Range is due to a fixed dollar amount incorporated into either low or high (for us) kWh usage.

    The 15.5% approved increase calculates to almost a 23% increase in actuality (but I won't bitch here.)
  13. Texas Cooler

    Texas Cooler New Member


    I've always been interested in alternative energy and am a NABCEP-certified installer in addition to my geo and HVAC business. Doing just a little bit of quick calcs in my head, to completely offset your usage, accounting for all the various system losses and the solar insolation in your area (a guess on my part since I operate in TX) indicates you would need about 70kW of solar...a huge system. I installed a 3.8 kW system in my home that generates an avg. of 21kW per day. If you'd like more detail on solar installations, my contact info is on my website (ntxair.com) Don't be too critical of the site since it is still a work in progress.
  14. engineer

    engineer Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    How much solar PV, Tex?

    70 kW solar to meet a 2500 kWh monthly winter load?

    Assuming (SWAG) 4 hours average solar insolation for WPs neighborhood and an average monthly load of 1800 kWh (another SWAG), that works out to a 15 kW solar array - still a big system likely to cost north of $100k
  15. jkeyser14

    jkeyser14 Member

    $0.137 in Baltimore, MD
  16. Mark Custis

    Mark Custis Not soon. Industry Professional Forum Leader

    The guys with,,,,

    ,,,worn out hands, big hearts, and lost or titanium knees, laugh when we see "net Zero".

    I do not think that I would build or recommend a system that did not use the "GRID" as it's backup. We are all in this together and if Waterprate is making watts and I am in darkness in Cleveland needing those watts to make coffee, I will buy from Eric in a heartbeat.

    The rip here is in the transmission of the power. The "grid" guys have it down to a nanowatt as to who owes whom for, what watt. While the transportation guys have their hands in the "Grid" the possibility of net metering and ending up "net zero", is in my mind, not available.

    Going "off Grid" is a different issue.

    The whole thing is either better batteries, or a "grid", that the sun never sets on. I think the Brits had that in mind once upon a time.
    Last edited: Feb 17, 2011
  17. moondawg

    moondawg Member

    Here ya go, for Jan 13 - Feb 10: (bottom line, 2556kw-h for $233.21 = $0.091/kw-h)

    Connection Charge $ 9.40

    Energy Charge
    300 kW h @ $ 0.09294500 27.88
    700 kW h @ $ 0.05417800 37.92
    1,556 kW h @ $ 0.04446400 69.19
    Rider 60 - Fuel Adjustment
    2,556 kW h @ $ 0.01388100 35.48
    Rider 61 - Coal Gasification Adj
    2,556 kW h @ $ 0.00454900 11.63
    Rider 62 - Pollution Cntl Adj
    2,556 kW h @ $ 0.00416300 10.64
    Rider 63 - Emission Allowance
    2,556 kW h @ $ 0.00032300 0.83
    Rider 66 - DSM Ongoing
    2,556 kW h @ $ 0.00178700 4.57
    Rider 67 - Cinergy Merger Credit
    2,556 kW h @ $ 0.00061000cr 1.56cr
    Rider 68 - Midwest Ind Sys Oper Adj
    2,556 kW h @ $ 0.00044900 1.15
    Rider 70 - Summer Reliability Adj
    2,556 kW h @ $ 0.00032500 0.83
    Rider 71 - Clean Coal Adjustment
    2,556 kW h @ $ 0.00390700 9.99

    [/FONT]Total Current Electric Charges $ 217.95
    Indiana State Tax $ 15.26

    Last February was $0.084/kw-h.

    Solar is a darn hard case to make for me.
  18. Texas Cooler

    Texas Cooler New Member

    I guess that NABCEP is worthless unless you apply ALL of it....I forgot to apply the daily insolation - good catch! With all the related wiring losses I come up with about a 19.5kW grid tied system to cover the annual usage.
  19. Mark Custis

    Mark Custis Not soon. Industry Professional Forum Leader


    Do not panic. The same math bashes solar thermal, and wind. We are looking at a percentage when dealing with local loads.

    It is like the refrigerant issue and the true cost of clean coal. We may have a choice but our babies' grandbabies will live with what we choose to do, and they will have no chance to talk to us about what we do today.
  20. Texas Cooler

    Texas Cooler New Member

    Price/watt dropping but ROI still long

    Price on panels has dropped significantly since I started but the ROI is still too long for most consumers. All my installs have been folks who are going green to do what they can to decrease demand on the grid. We just came thru a rolling blackout period here with record cold and have had them in the summer when temps are >100 every day. What will happen to the grid if/when electric car use becomes widespread?:confused:

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