desuper heater plumbing discussion...

Discussion in 'General Discussions' started by KJW, Mar 3, 2015.

  1. KJW

    KJW Member

    All, I am a new geo operator and owner. I have been reading for hours on different setups of geo thermal desuper heater plumbing. I have a few diagrams and some questions and would really enjoy everyone's input. I have an engineering buddy I work with that has a strong opinion too.

    First, I am located in the Houston - College Station, TX area. I am on the far northwest side of Montgomery, TX about an 1:15 mintues northwest of Houston. Our climate is primarily a cooling with summer temps and humidity on the high sides. I do not have heat strips. I am running a Bosch SM60 5.0 ton system with (5) 200 plus feet loops...

    I am leaning towards reconfiguring the unit to pull cooler water from the bottom of the Marathon tank so that the heat exchanger works better in the summer... see attached...
     

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    Last edited: Mar 3, 2015
  2. RunTime

    RunTime New Member

    The reconfigure looks like the better way make sure you get the coolest water flowing back to the desuperheater. Most will recommend a two tank setup, but your simple repipe will help.
     
  3. KJW

    KJW Member


    Thanks. I do have a second tank, the Navien 240a condensing water heater plumbed off the Marathon 105 gallon tank.
     
  4. ChrisJ

    ChrisJ Active Member Forum Leader

    Just for discussion... What I see with the reconfigure.

    During a hot water draw the cold water gets sent to the bottom of the tank, the DSH draws in that tepid water but can only raise it by a few degrees.

    Water is lazy so won't that not so hot water go directly into the Navien?

    At least the way it is now the hottest water goes to the Navien.

    Just my 2 cents.

    Chris
     
  5. Bergy

    Bergy Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    You are already drawing, through the dip tube, the coolest water from the Marathon. Re-injecting the water into the bottom is better than
    drawing from the bottom. Drawing from the bottom pulls sediment into the Desuperheater and circulator.

    Bergy
     
  6. KJW

    KJW Member

    Correct, during recirculation I am drawing via the dip tube, but what I am most concerned about is where the water is being sent into the Marathon tank at the bottom... With the hot water from the DSH being sent into the bottom as well, is the dip tube picking up the hot water and sending it back to the DSH? see diagram...
     
  7. Bergy

    Bergy Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    It's a cost compromise. Were money no worry, a true buffer tank would be used. A buffer tank has more pipe openings to plumb the system.
    Drawing from close to the bottom is the best way, but not from the very bottom where sediments lurk.

    Bergy
     
  8. urthbuoy

    urthbuoy Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    How about this plumbing setup on multiple units?

    Came across this a few weeks back. Single tank setup as well.

    You are looking at both the in and out from the heat pump on that brass cross.
    [​IMG]
     
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  9. urthbuoy

    urthbuoy Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    I am of course hi-jacking this thread with what can go horribly wrong.
     
  10. heatoldhome

    heatoldhome Geo Student Forum Leader

  11. dgbair

    dgbair Just a hobby Forum Leader

    Guess they must have really smart water. :eek:
     
  12. Bergy

    Bergy Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    Gotta love the air vent at the lowest point!
     
  13. heatoldhome

    heatoldhome Geo Student Forum Leader

    That's to vent all the heavy air out. Lol
     
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  14. urthbuoy

    urthbuoy Well-Known Member Industry Professional Forum Leader

    I thought it was a pretty innovative way to heat the mechanical rooms with electric hot water.;)
     
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  15. geoxne

    geoxne Active Member Forum Leader

    It's possible that crosstee is a homemade concentric fitting with the pipe stop removed on the adapter and the pipe slipped through into the tank. A decent deltaT could confirm without taking it apart.

    KJW
    I recommend you NOT reconfigure your piping. During a hot water draw the storage tank hot outlet would be tempered down by the cold inlet water filling the tank through the DSH loop.
     
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  16. dgbair

    dgbair Just a hobby Forum Leader

    That would make so much more sense....
     

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