First, I am NOT looking to compete with pros here for business. I am working on a home built rig simply for production holes. It has become apparent I might go broke paying the local drillers while trying to spot a suitable hole. We can get more here than some I guess, and not one of them will be "dry", but getting into a good formation will be nothing short of a guess, and I think good drillers know that. I really want to move on this from the highly technical side, which is seismic thumping, but there are issues, even with that. I not not designing a mickey mouse setup and I have been on drill rigs and my father used to drill in the oil field. However, I don't see any point in over building as being for personal use, if hole completion takes an extra couple hours, no biggy. I will probably also use the rig for test holes to spot target formations, then pull out and either plug or tool up and punch it. If drillers are still around, I do have a few tech questions just regarding drill mud, bits, torque, mud pumps, etc, etc.